Lucy
Felice, first of all, can you talk a little about your background, what you were doing professionally just before and during the time you did the Database?

Felice
I was on the faculty at NYU School of Medicine. I was trained with a PhD in physiology, was hired as a physiologist, and I taught medical students physiology, but most of my life. I’ve had this dual interest in literature and in biology. And in fact, that’s from high school on, and when I started college, I had to make a decision about whether to major in English or in biology. And I decided to major in biology because I thought, well, I can do literature on my own any day, and I’ll never be able to make it a profession. Whereas, you know, I can’t do science on my own, I have to be trained. And so that was the path I took, which was a science path, but I never lost my interest in reading and thinking about literary things. And let’s see, at one point I decided to start a discussion group with the medical students and any faculty who were interested. It was a small group, and it changed from year to year, but we met once a month, and I would, initially, pick out readings. They were short readings because students don’t have much time to read non-medical stuff– poetry, short stories, essays, and that continued for several years. At the same time, and really, I have to say that without my husband’s help and interest in what I was doing none of this would have happened because he of course, was interested in the use of technology, computers in medical education, but he was also interested in what I was doing with my literary stuff. So he set up a database for me on my own computer.

Lucy
And this was in the early 1990s.

Felice 
Yes, 1993 or thereabouts; he set up a computer program for me so that I could keep track of the readings that I was doing with the students, because I didn’t want to repeat anything with the same group, essentially. And I also was kind of following the work of Joanne Trautman Banks, who was a pioneer. She really was the one who started the field. I have to give her full credit. In 1978 she published a book of annotations of literature that had to do with medicine. I don’t really remember how I found it, but it was very helpful in my own work with the students. I decided, basically, to copy what she did, with some modifications of my own, in my own database that my husband Marty Nachbar helped me to set up. So to begin with, that’s what we did. Marty’s idea was that I should recruit other people in the field who were doing this kind of teaching with their students, and who might be interested in submitting annotations to this database. And secondly, that we should make it online, so that anybody out there who has access to the internet could stumble on this thing and maybe get interested. And the idea, his idea, was that it might expand the whole field, which was, at that time, just literature and medicine.

Lucy 
I had the privilege of knowing your husband and saw how he was really ahead of his field.

Felice 
He was a visionary. Definitely not just with that, but with all kinds of stuff that had to do with tech. You know, computers in medical education.

Lucy 
He was a big help to me when I had a grant from the NIH to do a project. He really zeroed in on its strengths, its weaknesses, and helped me in a very generous way. Just to backtrack a little bit, how did you choose the work that you shared with the students? What were you looking for when you selected certain work?

Felice 
I really had a pretty broad range of what I chose, and how I looked for it. Of course, if it was something to do with doctor or resident or medical student experience with patients– that was what I was looking for. But then there was patient experience, also from the patient’s perspective, how they were interacting, and what their feelings were about their illness or disabilities. And then as I started getting interested in this, I decided I really needed more training, and I decided to get a master’s degree, not in literature, but in something that was called at that point, humanities and social thought– that was the track at NYU in one of their master’s programs. And through that, I got really interested in the social thought part and societal issues that directly or indirectly affected medical practice, patient experience, and so forth. So that really also was important for me to get that degree, because when I started recruiting other faculty from other institutions, they [thought] I was an imposter. I was coming into that field without any background other than my interest in it. And they did not think highly of my intrusion into their field, and I don’t blame them. But you know, when they got to know me and what I was doing, they sort of became more accepting. But the thing that really clinched it was when I started this degree program, because then they felt okay, she’s serious. She’s going to get some professional training that makes it more legitimate to be associated with her. But of course, it was a really great thing for me, because it did give me a lot more background for what I was doing and what I would like to have been doing.

Lucy
You were very successful in recruiting a national board of editors.

Felice
Yes–the contributors were from all different places. They were very interested in making this a national internet-based project, because they were interested in furthering the field, and they saw the potential if it was on the internet, But initially I also had two NYU medical students who helped me choose material and write annotations. And then the site, especially once it became web based, was heavily used by so many and got so many hits–about a million a year. 

Lucy
It’s clear that the users went beyond medical students and physicians. What do you think attracted the wider audience?

Felice 
Well, I would occasionally get some notes, you know– I think there was a mechanism– I don’t remember exactly, where a user could contact me or somebody who was paying attention at NYU. What I found really interesting was there were patients who were using it. I don’t know what percentage of the users were patients, but there were patients who found stuff that was helpful to what they were going through. And so that was interesting to me, and I thought it was important, you know, it wasn’t my original intent to reach out to patients. It was really more of an education-based thing, but there it was. And why not?

Lucy 
We’re all patients at some point in our lives.

Felice 
Yes, right. That’s exactly true– issues about death and dying, not necessarily for the individual person, user, but family of theirs, friends who were in serious medical situations–all of that, it makes, made sense. So the audience became very broad.

Lucy 
And also you expanded the format.

Felice 
Well, first of all, when we started in 1993 there wasn’t a worldwide web. It didn’t exist. There was an internet. But the program that allowed people to access the internet was called Gopher, G, O, P, H, E, R. It was much more primitive but that’s what we started with, we put the annotations on this gopher program. Marty’s associate, Roy Smith, was instrumental in helping to set up the gopher program. Roy maintained his interest in our project as it moved forward. Then maybe a year or two later, I don’t know what the time lag was, but when the World Wide Web became available to anybody, I recognized that that would be really important, because it allowed you to make links with hypertext. You could make links between annotations; if you were referring from one thing to another; you could make links to art if you were annotating an art piece. You could make links –that was so key. So the web was just great. That was the way to go. And we were just lucky that it was there pretty early on.

Lucy
You recognized its potential.

Felice
And that wasn’t just Marty, actually. That was me.

Lucy 
And you chose the format of annotation versus a longer review. Was your goal to divide it into summary and commentary, specifically so that people understood what the work was about, but also how it connected to medicine and health? 

Felice 
I was going back to the format, or a slight modification of the book that Joanne Banks published in 1978. I think she used key words and a short paragraph about what the work was about. I think I expanded it to make both a summary and a commentary, because I thought that would be more helpful to people. I was modeling this thing after what she had done in 1978 and then again, she published another version, an updated version, I think, in 1982. In fact she and I had a phone conversation about our respective projects. 

Lucy 
One of the strengths of the web site was open access. You didn’t have to subscribe. That was important to you, I would imagine,

Felice 
Marty was very insistent on that. There were people who said, Oh, you should be charging something or whatever. And he said, No, if you want to make people aware of this field, you just make it completely accessible,

Lucy 
And it stayed that way, and the new site is open access. That leads me to ask, what do you think the role of health humanities is now? 

Felice 
You know, with all this artificial intelligence stuff, –I was reading about, or I saw online, a woman who, instead of having people as friends, she has some kind of an AI setup. And she’s not the only one, apparently, who’s, you know, relying instead of on human contact –on these bots. To me, it’s mind boggling. So I think there is definitely still importance to making this kind of work accessible and promoting it. And I also think it still should be part of medical education, health education, and it should be accessible to anybody who wants it.

Lucy 
Moving on to our new project. It’s based on the database but one of the differences, in my view, is that we’re including reviews that are a little more in depth than the annotations. How do you feel about what’s going on with the new site and how it’s evolved? And you can be honest. I mean, please.

Felice 
I think it is different from the database, and that’s good. It’s fine. You have your own vision of what you’d like to accomplish, and I think it’s working well, you’ve recruited people who’ve written some interesting things, not annotations, but more like essays. And you’ve expanded it so you have included art. I don’t know what else you’re planning to do, but I think it’s a good site, it’s valuable. It’s nice to have something up there that’s medical humanities related. And I really admire what you’ve done. 

Lucy 
Thank you. I think one difference is, you pioneered using links in the old database, and we’re using links much more now that it’s possible to do so. So if we review a book, then the author is interviewed by someone, we might link to the YouTube video. That’s been interesting to do and adds to what we can offer. It’s hard to know who’s using the site. We’re still in the very early stages, but I think it has a fairly broad appeal beyond just practitioners whether they’re doctors, nurses, or trainees, and I’m trying to have the public be interested in the work that we choose.

Felice 
I think you have your vision of the website, and that’s what you’ve voiced here, but it’s not my view of medical humanities.

In fact, I found this online at George Washington University, on their medical humanities site, and they quote me, but they don’t acknowledge that it was me, where I wrote: “Medical Humanities is an interdisciplinary field that includes the humanities, social sciences and the arts and their application to medical education and practice,” and then whatever education materials people develop that are designed “to help students develop and nurture skills of observation, analysis, empathy and self-reflection, skills that are essential for humane medical care.” [Quotes are from the GW website and were at the original NYU medical humanities site.] Especially the first part that I read, I mean that it is a broad, interdisciplinary scholarly field. That is how I have always, or at least for many years, maybe not in the very beginning, looked at it. So that’s a little different from what you are trying to do. And I’m not criticizing you in any way. I mean, I’m just recognizing that there is a difference in what you want to do with your site and what we did with ours.

Lucy 
One of the things that the database could do was show different cultures and describe experiences that the students themselves might not have directly. MedHum is a bridge into other cultures, and that’s what I mean when I say it is a lens on the human experience. That by reading literature, by reading about other societies, and what people who live in those societies go through, which you know only too well, it broadens your ability, hopefully, to empathize and to understand the differences among people.

Thank you, Felice for speaking with me today and for your editorial guidance throughout the years. It’s been an extremely fruitful collaboration.

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Before embarking on my project, I reviewed the literature pertaining to the use of plays in medical settings.  Friedrich Schiller, the German playwright (who was, incidentally, a physician), laid the groundwork for the use of theater as an educational tool in his 1784 essay “The Stage as a Moral Institution” calling it “a great school of practical wisdom, a guide for civil life, and a key to the mind” (Schiller, page 252).  In his view, the theatricalization of the “vices and virtues of men” and of “human woe” not only makes them more palatable, but it also actually teaches the audience to be more empathic. 

I found a wide range of milieus in which plays have been used.  In 1938, The Federal Theatre Project, a program sponsored by the WPA, produced a play entitled Spirochete with the goal of reducing the spread of syphilis (Flanagan, page 144).  More recently, dramatic narratives were used by scientists to provide a forum for learning about human genetics; these have been collected in a volume entitled The Drama of DNA.  

A pioneering program that proved inspirational to me is Medical Readers’ Theater, developed in the 1980s at East Carolina University’s Brody School of Medicine. Stories by William Carlos Williams and other doctor writers have been turned into scripts used to encourage dialogue among medical staff, students and the public about a variety of medical issues. These plays are available in anthologies accompanied by discussion questions.   

There are also numerous popular plays which are natural fits for teaching because they illustrate points of ethics, diagnosis, doctor-patient relationship, etc. at the same time as just being entertaining.  Some of the ones I have used include Wit, A Streetcar Named Desire, and Next to Normal.    

While deciding what to do for my thesis project, I was becoming quite taken with Anton Chekhov’s writing through working with Jack Coulehan at Stony Brook.  Previously, although I knew of course that Chekhov had a reputation for being one of the great playwrights, I had had the impression that his plays were a bit boring because nothing much happens in them.  What can I say?  I must just not have seen the right productions.   

I researched Chekhov’s life, read his short stories, and even plowed through Sakhalin Island, the epidemiological survey he wrote about health conditions in a penal colony. As a result, I became an admirer and gained insight into his method.  It does not matter whether there appears to be anything happening or not.  The author’s job is to record what he observes. It is not by chance that this is also the job of a physician.  One can understand why Chekhov might have wanted to continue to practice medicine even after becoming one of Russia’s most celebrated writers.  Chekhov soon became my personal role model as a doctor writer, and it felt like an honor to dedicate my time and energy to his work, and in my own extremely modest way, to add to his dramatic corpus.   

Chekhov wrote over 500 short stories, and doctors play a significant role in about 25 of them.  I chose “A Nervous Breakdown” (1889) and “A Doctor’s Visit” (1898) “for adaptation.  As “A Doctor’s Visit” has fewer characters and is the shorter of the two that is the one I use to teach.  Some students may even have read the original story already because it is so well known.   

The plot may be summarized as follows:  A doctor has been summoned away from the city to see the daughter of a factory owner, but for some reason he sends his assistant instead.  (Perhaps he just did not want to go out to the boondocks.) The assistant doctor arrives at the house and examines the young lady.  After not finding anything wrong, he concludes that he’s been called for nothing. The patient’s mother, who is depressed and overwhelmed, implores him to spend the night instead of going home to his family.  The doctor is not in a position to refuse, but he feels as if his time is being wasted and he is annoyed.  

However, in the short time he is in the factory town, the doctor gets a sense of what it is like in live in such a place. He sees how unhealthy the environment is for the workers. He sees how, despite having lavished a fortune on expensive furnishings, the inhabitants of the house are miserable. Adding insult to injury, a servant repeatedly contradicts him and gets on his nerves.  

In spite of the prejudices he has brought with him from the city, the totality of his experience makes an impression on this doctor. The next morning, he meets with the patient again. This time, he recognizes that she is a sensitive and intelligent young lady, and he now has empathy for what she must be going through. There is a moment of understanding between them. Although it does not perhaps appear as if the doctor has applied any treatment, the patient responds and shows a sense of hope.  The doctor has also changed as a result of this experience. He leaves the house and heads home in a good mood.   

Like general practitioners today, general practitioners in 19^th-century Russia undoubtedly ended up doing a good bit of psychiatry.  Although Chekhov and Freud were contemporaries, there seems to be no evidence that Chekhov was aware of Freud’s “talking cure. “  But even if not, and even if the doctor in “A Doctor’s Visit” does not think he has done anything, the doctor has in fact unwittingly administered a brief psychotherapy session.  The powerful results he obtains with such simple means remind me of some of my own experiences as a psychiatrist.  Sometimes when one uses one’s psychoanalytic theories to make what one thinks are brilliant interpretations, they fall on deaf ears.  Just being present and listening often produces the best outcomes.   

The greatest technical challenge this playwright confronted in dramatizing “A Doctor’s Visit” was figuring what to do about the doctor’s internal thoughts.  There is plenty of spoken dialogue in Chekhov’s story, and I used much of it practically verbatim.   But how to dramatize one’s inner dialogue?  It would be cumbersome to have a narrator describe it, and unnatural to have the doctor verbalize it.  My solution was to create a brand-new character, a young apprentice, someone the doctor uses to bounce ideas off.   I hope audiences and readers feel this was a reasonable compromise on my part.   

My adaptations of Chekhov’s two stories made their debut in 2015.  Since then, “A Doctor’s Visit” has been used to teach students at several medical schools:  Stony Brook, Drexel, New York University, Boston University, Cleveland Clinic, and the University of Pennsylvania.   At all but one of these I introduced the play in person, read the stage directions aloud, and led the discussion.  The text of the play is included in an appendix to this article in the hope that other schools will take it up.  And I am still available to read stage directions! 

References: 
Chekhov, Anton: “A Doctor’s Visit.”  Translated by Constance Garnett.  https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/ac/jr/193.h
Coulehan, Jack.  “Cold Eye, Warm Heart: Medicine and Anton Chekhov.” MedHum, October 2, 2025 Flanagan, Hallie. 1940, reprinted 1985. Arena: The Story of the Federal Theatre. New York: Limelight Editions 
Rothenberg, Karen H. and Bush, Lynn Wein. 2014. The Drama of DNA. New York: Oxford University Press 
Savitt, Todd L. (ed.) 2002.  Medical Readers’ Theater:  A Guide and Scripts.  Iowa City: University of Iowa Press 
Schiller, Friedrich. 1784. “The Stage as a Moral Institution.” In Theatre/Theory/Theatre, 250-254.  New York:  Applause 

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A Doctor’s Visit:  An Adaptation of a Short Story by Chekhov

by Guy Fredrick Glass

Downloads of this play may be distributed and performed for educational purposes only, with permission of the author.  Dr Glass may be contacted at gf***@*ol.com 

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