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<p class="has-palette-color-5-background-color has-background has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The&nbsp;Guts&nbsp;of&nbsp;it&nbsp;All</strong>&nbsp;<br><em>David&nbsp;Hsu&nbsp;sits&nbsp;down&nbsp;to&nbsp;talk&nbsp;with&nbsp;Medhum&nbsp;editor&nbsp;Dr.&nbsp;Steven&nbsp;Field.&nbsp;Steve&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;gastroenterologist,&nbsp;though&nbsp;retired&nbsp;from&nbsp;clinical&nbsp;practice.&nbsp;He&nbsp;is&nbsp;Clinical&nbsp;Assistant&nbsp;Professor&nbsp;of&nbsp;Medicine&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;New&nbsp;York&nbsp;University&nbsp;School&nbsp;of&nbsp;Medicine.&nbsp;He&nbsp;has&nbsp;also&nbsp;received&nbsp;certification&nbsp;in&nbsp;Bioethics&nbsp;and&nbsp;Medical&nbsp;Humanities,&nbsp;as&nbsp;well&nbsp;as&nbsp;Psychodynamic&nbsp;Psychotherapy&nbsp;of&nbsp;Adults.</em>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>DAVID HSU: Why do you think <a href="https://medhum.org/tag/medical-humanities/">medical humanities</a> is important in today&#8217;s world?</strong></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">STEVEN FIELD: I think it&#8217;s important because it’s a way of getting back to the heart and soul of clinical medicine, or at least, I hope it is. I was in practice for 35 years, and I think that medicine has moved towards a different concept than the concept that I grew up in professionally. I like the idea of well-rounded physicians. I think people should know things other than just medicine. Reading novels gives you an appreciation for the way that people interact, not necessarily just in medical illness, but also outside of illness, which then you can extrapolate back [from].</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I admit I&#8217;m biased. I was a liberal arts major in college. I started in English, and my degree is in history. What was your area?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>I did a double major in biology and history. Most of my classes were 20th Century American history.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My senior essay was on Puritan and colonial town planning theorems in New England and the middle Atlantic states, nothing I&#8217;ve used ever since. And my junior essay was on witchcraft.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Witchcraft is a little bit closer to medicine.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">True. I actually was looking at the sociopolitical ramifications of witchcraft in Tudor-Stuart England and France under Richelieu. So, while it wasn’t wars and treaties history, more social/cultural history, it was history nonetheless.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I come from that liberal arts background, so I have a leaning towards medical humanities. I think it&#8217;s really helpful to ground people who are in the field, and I think it&#8217;s an often incredibly helpful way to relate to patients on so many levels. You might not be amazed, but many people would be, to know how many times the doctor-patient relationship is either forged or strengthened over a shared interest, literary or otherwise. I don&#8217;t mean sharing at the same time, but something that somebody else has read, or a movie, or a play you’ve seen. The reason I think medical humanities has assumed more importance is because the period of time that doctors have to spend with patients in the encounter has gotten smaller and smaller. There&#8217;s this thing that in some offices a new patient visit should take 20 minutes and follow-ups should take seven minutes. I retired from practice in 2011, and I would never be able to function under this system now, because I&#8217;m a schmoozer, you know? I like to talk to patients.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>And you&#8217;re a gastroenterologist, is that right?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am a gastroenterologist, although I had a large proportion of my practice in general internal medicine. Along the way, I also got a certificate in psychodynamic psychotherapy, which I found very useful, not only in the practice of medicine — mind and body are linked, of course — but in two other places as well. I had a small psychotherapy practice, in addition to my medical practice, so it clearly helped there. And I work in clinical ethics now, and understanding family dynamics is really helpful when you are dealing with patients and families in conflict. I think that psychiatry especially — not so much psychopharmacology, but psychotherapy — is kind of the closest to medical humanities, in some ways.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>That&#8217;s interesting. I read your bio and it talked about dynamic psychotherapy, but I didn&#8217;t know what that meant. I didn’t realize it refers to inter-family dynamics.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Psychodynamic refers to treatment basically anchored in Freudian theory. So it&#8217;s not cognitive behavioral therapy. It&#8217;s the old standard, you know? You talk about childhood, ego, super ego, all that stuff.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>So you see that medical appointments are getting shorter and shorter, and there&#8217;s more and more use of technology, and like you&#8217;ve mentioned, the humanities could be a bit of a buffer against that. It would help us navigate that world. Can you be a bit more specific on how you see that relationship unfolding?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Just to be clear, it’s not really a buffer against technology per se, but rather, against the depersonalization of medicine that can result from increased technology and decreased time. I&#8217;ll tell you the truth. It&#8217;s tough for me to answer that question, because I&#8217;ve never functioned in this 20-minute visit environment, right? When I was last in practice, a new patient got an hour and a follow-up got a half an hour. That’s much harder to do today. So there was time to talk to them and sort of develop the relationship – the medical side as well as the interpersonal side.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think that it&#8217;s a good question. I think medical humanities could have two different functions. It hopefully heightens physician sensitivity to the human condition, to what patients are feeling and going through. In addition, I believe that for many physicians it acts as a counterweight to the immersion in medicine and illness, and as a source of personal fulfillment. Of course, that second sense may not be true for everyone; people find fulfillment in life in many different ways.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Let’s talk a bit more about the tie-in with psychiatry because I&#8217;m really curious about this. You reviewed the book <a href="https://medhum.org/review/book-review/steven_field/the-third-reich-of-dreams-by-charlotte-beradt/">The Third Reich of Dreams</a>. How do dreams and the subconscious relate to medicine?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Freudian theory has gotten a bit of a bad name over the years, and psychiatry has moved very much to psychopharmacology. But psychiatrists classically loved to analyze dreams, because a dream brings in not only what the immediate concerns are, but also all the things that you draw on in your background. So it&#8217;s a very interesting way to approach things. For some people. Others don&#8217;t dream, or they dream, but they don&#8217;t remember them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it’s not only dreams. I noticed many times in patient interactions in my medical practice, that people re-enact things from their childhood or early adulthood. Their mother didn&#8217;t love them, so they choose somebody who reminds them of their mother, because they think they&#8217;re going to fix it this time. That’s almost a cliche. But that sort of stuff happens a lot, and I think that&#8217;s really interesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I had sort of a subspecialty in inflammatory bowel disease, so a lot of Crohn&#8217;s and ulcerative colitis patients. And I had one young woman, not so young actually, who had very severe Crohn&#8217;s, and she wasn&#8217;t getting that much better. And I talked to her about putting her in the hospital and putting her on TPN (total parenteral nutrition) because she was losing so much weight, and she didn&#8217;t want to do that. And she said “I don&#8217;t want to go to the hospital. I&#8217;ll try, Dr Field. I&#8217;ll really try, because I&#8217;m telling you, I really don&#8217;t want to gain any more weight.” And then she said “I mean, I don&#8217;t want to lose any more weight.” And I just said, ”Well, that&#8217;s an interesting slip, right? What do you think that&#8217;s about?” And she paused, then she burst into tears. And then I got the whole story about her difficult relationship with her mother, and how her mother was always making nasty comments about her weight. This was all coming out; there was a whole huge story behind it. And there&#8217;s stories behind lots of people&#8217;s stuff, and I&#8217;m not saying her Crohn&#8217;s was due to that, not at all, but there are lots of patients who have this kind of thing in their background. You know, life story and narrative, and so that&#8217;s what I think Medical Humanities is about, the human narrative behind the patient and their illness. I think having some knowledge and experience, some background, that isn’t just medical but also is humanities-oriented can sometimes give you common ground with patients, or even just make you curious about them. All it took was saying, “that&#8217;s an interesting slip. What do you think about that?” And it was a whole other side of this patient. Medicine is about people, and people are not just their disease. They&#8217;re people with a disease. Sometimes you have to have that sort of global look. And I think the interaction with the humanities is helpful in that regard.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>What&#8217;s your Gestalt sense of the relationship between our mental well-being and physical illness?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I have always felt that the two things influence each other, and it’s not necessarily a sharp line between them. I would certainly not go so far as to say that my patient’s experience with her mother caused her Crohn&#8217;s disease, but I think psychological states can certainly exacerbate symptoms. I mean, the gut, specifically, has its own extensive immune system. It has its own nervous system, responsive to inputs from the central nervous system, and the enteric nervous and immune systems are interrelated. And much of that has been well worked out, there’s this whole field of neurogastroenterology that deals with this.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I think that&#8217;s recognized, clearly, that one&#8217;s psychological state can influence illness and sometimes worsen symptomatology. Many times I’ve seen “intractable” symptoms abate when a patient retires from a stressful job, for example. So I think stress has a very significant role in the production of symptomatology and perhaps in the pathophysiology, actually, in certain cases.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>How about today? In 2025, it seems like the world of medicine is facing a lot of stress. There&#8217;s a lot of vaccine skepticism. People are antagonistic towards public health. <a href="https://medhum.org/tag/covid/">COVID</a> certainly didn&#8217;t help things. How do you see medical humanities being part of that landscape?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Well, I imagine that landscape is prominent in the United States in large part related to political developments.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>I guess I&#8217;m influenced by my subscriptions to the New York Times, but Canada is the same. I mean, I feel like before COVID there were a few people that were skeptical of vaccines, but now everyone seems entitled to have an opinion about it and voice it readily. I&#8217;ve worked with mostly Chinese patients. I hear this from them all the time, but they&#8217;re generally a little bit more “toe the line” regarding what their government says they should do. But I think now people are more emboldened with some of these ideas.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One thing about the United States is that, as opposed to most of the northern European countries and Canada, the US has a very strong libertarian streak. Individuals. “Don&#8217;t tell me what to do.” We rebelled against England, settled the frontier, dispossessing everybody who was there in the process. So there&#8217;s this real idea of the right to be left alone. So the question is: does that feed the problem?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The reason I have a little question with the role of the humanities is when you look at people who are involved in medical humanities — and this may only be my impression — I think they tend to sort of cluster closer to the left. And more of them are the people who will take vaccines and things like that. But I don&#8217;t know that. I wish there were a larger role for medical humanities in smoothing over these political differences and polarization. I think it would be nice if there were. For example, people talk about book clubs and reading groups. I’m a big believer in them, and they’re very popular, but most of the time, book clubs are self-assorting entities, right? Go with people in your club. The people in your reading group are often people who probably feel somewhat the way you do. It would be great to have reading groups with multiple viewpoints represented, as long as their discussions don’t devolve into chaos. These days, that’s a real risk. A big problem in America is that we’re becoming more and more polarized.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The trick is to bridge that divide somehow.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A big problem is that in so many cases, there is no trust. When everyone has their own facts, it’s the end of the idea of an absolute truth. Each side has its own truth. You have your facts; I have my facts.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>I guess, as a historian, we are taught gradually that truth is kind of like that, right? One thing I remember learning in university is this idea that facts can be a subjective experience for people.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That’s true. The subjective interpretation will vary and can color the way history is written. And history is written by the victors, right? But facts are facts.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Given that that&#8217;s the landscape, what would you like to see MedHum evolve into over time?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Well, It was set up originally as a Medical Humanities Resource. That is, it originally came out of the Literature, Arts and Medicine database, right? So I still like to look at it as a resource. But I’d also like it to be a place where people go for well-written and insightful writing, commenting on aspects of the interface of health, wellness, current events, and literature and the arts. I think it should exist, as the mission statement indicates, at the nexus of medicine and the wider society, and comment on the interactions there. MedHum is brand new, so you have to see how it develops. I&#8217;d like it to be a source of good writing, good insightful and perhaps incisive commentary.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>I was going to ask you about what you thought about the relationship of technology in medicine. A lot of the time when people talk about humanities and the liberal arts education — like history and English majors — one thing they don&#8217;t spend a lot of time on is cutting edge technology. A lot of these studies go back to things that occurred decades ago. But medical humanities is a little bit different, because it wrestles with these things that are happening right now. There&#8217;s a certain degree of urgency. And in medicine, new things are coming out every couple of years. As soon as AI comes out, we adopt it for some medical purpose. So we&#8217;re constantly trying to push that boundary. Where do you see that going as a person with a humanities background?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the things about all the technology is it&#8217;s very important to ask the questions about what you&#8217;re going to do with the technology. Where it&#8217;s going to go, how we can protect things like privacy and vulnerable people. I mean, bioethics has a lot to say about technology like AI and big data and privacy. It also has a huge amount to say about other technologies, like reproductive technologies, transplantation, and the like. But I think you&#8217;re talking about two different things. The time-honored majors in university, English and history, the number of people who are electing to major in these is dropping, while the number of people majoring in the STEM fields is rising. So that&#8217;s a process that&#8217;s happening, and it&#8217;s going to continue to happen, just because that&#8217;s where things are going. I think that a role for medical humanities in that mix is that of humanizing the processes which technology facilitates and also asking important questions about technology. In terms of AI, since you brought it up, what does it mean to be human? As the machines get better and better, and given that we often use cognition as an indicator of life — ‘sentient beings” — where then is the line? When you can get psychotherapy from a chat bot what does it actually say about interpersonal interaction, what does it actually mean to interact as a human being? Where does this logically end up? No one knows. So I think thinking and writing from a humanities point of view about technology brings a new perspective to the subject. It may be the best way to contextualize our progress and at the same time create guardrails where needed. Because they will be needed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And there&#8217;s just been so much in the news about the use of AI to write fiction. To write college essays. When a chatbot is creating, can it be said to have an imagination? To employ metaphor, or allegory, or irony? And ultimately, how will technology limit our adeptness with basic human interaction? There&#8217;s lots of dystopian fiction written about this kind of thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>If AI continues to evolve and people start to use it as doctors, where do you see a medical encounter in the future? What does it turn into? What does it look like?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are studies that show that AI is comparable to or better than most radiologists looking for breast lesions. And there&#8217;s lots and lots of ways that AI can help in medicine, including increasing diagnostic accuracy across a number of areas, screening potential drug candidates, personalizing treatment plans, and the like. Interestingly, there is a suggestion that the use of AI-assisted technology may lead to a subtle loss of the physician’s native ability to evaluate, what is referred to as “de-skilling.” An interesting and sobering thought. Overall, though, I think AI can be a huge help in medicine, with its potential only beginning to be appreciated. But I would hope that AI would never replace doctors, because AI can’t empathize, can’t engage in a meaningful relationship with a patient, even if it can create the words. I, for one, would always know that it was a machine interacting with me, and that would color my response.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For diagnostic purposes, it will weigh the relative possibilities, but some of that diagnostic process — especially in terms of general medicine — is intuition. There are some areas where AI is less helpful. AI can screen data and suggest diagnoses and investigations, but sometimes patients would come in, and the doctor will think “something just doesn&#8217;t smell right here. There&#8217;s something not hanging together about this” or “this is somebody who doesn&#8217;t normally complain, and now they&#8217;re complaining, and that&#8217;s different. What&#8217;s going on here now?” AI may, may evolve to be able to catch up to that too, because my understanding is that it&#8217;s just becoming better and better. But it&#8217;s certainly a useful adjunct. I know in our medical school curriculum there&#8217;s a whole session on how to engage with AI and how to use it. And I think that&#8217;s good. It&#8217;s a tool, and it&#8217;s really helpful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>One more change of gears. How did you go from the liberal arts background into medical school? Was there a transition, or was that something you always wanted to do? Or was the liberal arts a bit of a detour? How did that evolve?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I always wanted to be a doctor, but I also always knew that I wasn&#8217;t going to spend four years at a college that was very strong in liberal arts and spend it doing biology or some other concentration in the sciences. There were just too many other things that I liked. I had a bunch of AP credits coming out of high school, so I didn&#8217;t have to take many science courses — and I didn&#8217;t — but I took enough, and the rest of the time it was English, history and other humanities courses. I thought that was important before I went to medical school. And I generally think that it&#8217;s important.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Where did you get that idea as a 17 or 18-year-old?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Probably simply from the fact that I was too interested in so many things. I was fascinated by medicine, but I always read a lot, and I was much more attracted to humanities in college, knowing that I was going to go to medical school afterwards. I knew I’d be spending the rest of my professional life in medicine, so I wanted to explore non-medical areas in college.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>When you went into medicine, did you think that you were leaving the humanities part behind, or did you always think the two would stay entwined?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I always thought the two would stay entwined. At one point I actually thought of doing psychiatry — as I said earlier, that always seemed to me to be the specialty most intertwined with the humanities — but I decided not to. But no, I didn&#8217;t leave the humanities behind.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>One thing I&#8217;ve always appreciated about the United States is their undergraduate education is much more permissive of people pursuing other things and then going to medical school later. In other countries, like in Canada, undergraduate learning is very much more pre-defined. If you want to become a doctor, you have to do life science, and life science leads into medicine. It&#8217;s technically not written anywhere, but everyone does it this way, and I think you miss out on a lot of stuff that you could learn that might help you later, but in a more abstract way.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think a four-year general undergraduate curriculum can certainly broaden your horizons. Medical school was four years of really hard work; College was the last time, at least for the next four years, that I could do something else in depth with the other side of my brain.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Or even if we just say those four years exist for themselves. It&#8217;s a great four years. It doesn&#8217;t matter if it affects you later, necessarily. We could die tomorrow. You enjoyed your college years. Let’s circle back. Why is medical humanities important in today&#8217;s world?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I feel like medical humanities is important because I just think it makes us broader and deeper and hopefully more empathic human beings. And that’s always a good thing, and I think patients benefit from that. I hear a lot of complaints from family and friends about medical care these days (because let’s face it, I’m at the age where my contemporaries all talk about their medical care) and often their biggest complaint is that the doctor&#8217;s visit was very short or they felt rushed. Unfortunately, a number of people are unhappy with the nature of doctor-patient interactions these days. But I don&#8217;t know that the humanities alone are going to make that better. So much of it is driven by insurance companies, reimbursements, and documentation needs — all things that are beyond our control.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Thank you very much for your time.</strong></p>



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					<description><![CDATA[ Forging links between Medicine and the Arts: A Conversation with Dr. Felice Aull]]></description>
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<p class="has-palette-color-5-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph">In the early 1990s Dr. Felice Aull, a professor of physiology at the NYU School of Medicine, wanted to organize the readings she was using with students. With the help of her husband, Dr. Martin Nachbar, a pioneer in the use of computers in medical education, she created the Literature, Arts and Medicine Database, an open-access collection of annotations that explore the connection between the humanities and health. By 2012 when she retired and I became the Editor-in-Chief, the site attracted an estimated 1,000,000 visitors annually. Recently, I spoke to Felice about the early days of the Database and the creation of this site. The interview is lightly edited for clarity.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy </strong> <br>Felice, first of all, can you talk a little about your background, what you were doing professionally just before and during the time you did the Database?</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice </strong> <br>I was on the faculty at NYU School of Medicine. I was trained with a PhD in physiology, was hired as a physiologist, and I taught medical students physiology, but most of my life. I&#8217;ve had this dual interest in literature and in biology. And in fact, that&#8217;s from high school on, and when I started college, I had to make a decision about whether to major in English or in biology. And I decided to major in biology because I thought, well, I can do literature on my own any day, and I&#8217;ll never be able to make it a profession. Whereas, you know, I can&#8217;t do science on my own, I have to be trained. And so that was the path I took, which was a science path, but I never lost my interest in reading and thinking about literary things. And let&#8217;s see, at one point I decided to start a discussion group with the medical students and any faculty who were interested. It was a small group, and it changed from year to year, but we met once a month, and I would, initially, pick out readings. They were short readings because students don&#8217;t have much time to read non-medical stuff&#8211; poetry, short stories, essays, and that continued for several years. At the same time, and really, I have to say that without my husband&#8217;s help and interest in what I was doing none of this would have happened because he of course, was interested in the use of technology, computers in medical education, but he was also interested in what I was doing with my literary stuff. So he set up a database for me on my own computer.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy</strong><br>And this was in the early 1990s.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>Yes, 1993 or thereabouts; he set up a computer program for me so that I could keep track of the readings that I was doing with the students, because I didn&#8217;t want to repeat anything with the same group, essentially. And I also was kind of following the work of Joanne Trautman Banks, who was a pioneer. She really was the one who started the field. I have to give her full credit. In 1978 she published a book of annotations of literature that had to do with medicine. I don&#8217;t really remember how I found it, but it was very helpful in my own work with the students. I decided, basically, to copy what she did, with some modifications of my own, in my own database that my husband Marty Nachbar helped me to set up. So to begin with, that&#8217;s what we did. Marty&#8217;s idea was that I should recruit other people in the field who were doing this kind of teaching with their students, and who might be interested in submitting annotations to this database. And secondly, that we should make it online, so that anybody out there who has access to the internet could stumble on this thing and maybe get interested. And the idea, his idea, was that it might expand the whole field, which was, at that time, just literature and medicine.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>I had the privilege of knowing your husband and saw how he was really ahead of his field.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>He was a visionary. Definitely not just with that, but with all kinds of stuff that had to do with tech. You know, computers in medical education.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>He was a big help to me when I had a grant from the NIH to do a project. He really zeroed in on its strengths, its weaknesses, and helped me in a very generous way. Just to backtrack a little bit, how did you choose the work that you shared with the students? What were you looking for when you selected certain work?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>I really had a pretty broad range of what I chose, and how I looked for it. Of course, if it was something to do with doctor or resident or medical student experience with patients&#8211; that was what I was looking for. But then there was patient experience, also from the patient&#8217;s perspective, how they were interacting, and what their feelings were about their illness or disabilities. And then as I started getting interested in this, I decided I really needed more training, and I decided to get a master&#8217;s degree, not in literature, but in something that was called at that point, humanities and social thought&#8211; that was the track at NYU in one of their master&#8217;s programs. And through that, I got really interested in the social thought part and societal issues that directly or indirectly affected medical practice, patient experience, and so forth. So that really also was important for me to get that degree, because when I started recruiting other faculty from other institutions, they [thought] I was an imposter. I was coming into that field without any background other than my interest in it. And they did not think highly of my intrusion into their field, and I don&#8217;t blame them. But you know, when they got to know me and what I was doing, they sort of became more accepting. But the thing that really clinched it was when I started this degree program, because then they felt okay, she&#8217;s serious. She&#8217;s going to get some professional training that makes it more legitimate to be associated with her. But of course, it was a really great thing for me, because it did give me a lot more background for what I was doing and what I would like to have been doing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy </strong><br>You were very successful in recruiting a national board of editors.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice </strong><br>Yes&#8211;the contributors were from all different places. They were very interested in making this a national internet-based project, because they were interested in furthering the field, and they saw the potential if it was on the internet, But initially I also had two NYU medical students who helped me choose material and write annotations. And then the site, especially once it became web based, was heavily used by so many and got so many hits&#8211;about a million a year.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy</strong> <br>It&#8217;s clear that the users went beyond medical students and physicians. What do you think attracted the wider audience?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>Well, I would occasionally get some notes, you know&#8211; I think there was a mechanism&#8211; I don&#8217;t remember exactly, where a user could contact me or somebody who was paying attention at NYU. What I found really interesting was there were patients who were using it. I don&#8217;t know what percentage of the users were patients, but there were patients who found stuff that was helpful to what they were going through. And so that was interesting to me, and I thought it was important, you know, it wasn&#8217;t my original intent to reach out to patients. It was really more of an education-based thing, but there it was. And why not?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>We’re all patients at some point in our lives.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>Yes, right. That&#8217;s exactly true&#8211; issues about death and dying, not necessarily for the individual person, user, but family of theirs, friends who were in serious medical situations&#8211;all of that, it makes, made sense. So the audience became very broad.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>And also you expanded the format.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>Well, first of all, when we started in 1993 there wasn&#8217;t a worldwide web. It didn&#8217;t exist. There was an internet. But the program that allowed people to access the internet was called Gopher, G, O, P, H, E, R. It was much more primitive but that&#8217;s what we started with, we put the annotations on this gopher program. Marty’s associate, Roy Smith, was instrumental in helping to set up the gopher program. Roy maintained his interest in our project as it moved forward. Then maybe a year or two later, I don&#8217;t know what the time lag was, but when the World Wide Web became available to anybody, I recognized that that would be really important, because it allowed you to make links with hypertext. You could make links between annotations; if you were referring from one thing to another; you could make links to art if you were annotating an art piece. You could make links &#8211;that was so key. So the web was just great. That was the way to go. And we were just lucky that it was there pretty early on.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image alignright size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1024" height="949" src="https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-1024x949.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-13969" style="width:420px" srcset="https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-1024x949.jpg 1024w, https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-300x278.jpg 300w, https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-768x712.jpg 768w, https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-1536x1423.jpg 1536w, https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-2048x1897.jpg 2048w, https://medhum.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Screenshot-2026-03-03-at-6.11.53-PM-1320x1223.jpg 1320w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Literature, Arts and Medicine Database in 2016</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy</strong><br>You recognized its potential.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice</strong><br>And that wasn&#8217;t just Marty, actually. That was me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>And you chose the format of annotation versus a longer review. Was your goal to divide it into summary and commentary, specifically so that people understood what the work was about, but also how it connected to medicine and health?&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>I was going back to the format, or a slight modification of the book that Joanne Banks published in 1978. I think she used key words and a short paragraph about what the work was about. I think I expanded it to make both a summary and a commentary, because I thought that would be more helpful to people. I was modeling this thing after what she had done in 1978 and then again, she published another version, an updated version, I think, in 1982. In fact she and I had a phone conversation about our respective projects.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>One of the strengths of the web site was open access. You didn&#8217;t have to subscribe. That was important to you, I would imagine,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>Marty was very insistent on that. There were people who said, Oh, you should be charging something or whatever. And he said, No, if you want to make people aware of this field, you just make it completely accessible,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>And it stayed that way, and the new site is open access. That leads me to ask, what do you think the role of health humanities is now?&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>You know, with all this artificial intelligence stuff, &#8211;I was reading about, or I saw online, a woman who, instead of having people as friends, she has some kind of an AI setup. And she&#8217;s not the only one, apparently, who&#8217;s, you know, relying instead of on human contact &#8211;on these bots. To me, it&#8217;s mind boggling. So I think there is definitely still importance to making this kind of work accessible and promoting it. And I also think it still should be part of medical education, health education, and it should be accessible to anybody who wants it.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>Moving on to our new project. It’s based on the database but one of the differences, in my view, is that we&#8217;re including reviews that are a little more in depth than the annotations. How do you feel about what&#8217;s going on with the new site and how it&#8217;s evolved? And you can be honest. I mean, please.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice&nbsp;</strong><br>I think it is different from the database, and that&#8217;s good. It&#8217;s fine. You have your own&nbsp;vision of what you&#8217;d like to accomplish, and I think it&#8217;s working well, you&#8217;ve recruited people who&#8217;ve written some interesting things, not annotations, but more like essays. And you&#8217;ve expanded it so you have included art. I don&#8217;t know what else you&#8217;re planning to do, but I think it&#8217;s a good site, it&#8217;s valuable. It&#8217;s nice to have something up there that&#8217;s medical humanities related. And I really admire what you&#8217;ve done.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>Thank you. I think one difference is, you pioneered using links in the old database, and we&#8217;re using links much more now that it&#8217;s possible to do so. So if we review a book, then the author is interviewed by someone, we might link to the YouTube video. That&#8217;s been interesting to do and adds to what we can offer. It’s hard to know who&#8217;s using the site. We&#8217;re still in the very early stages, but I think it has a fairly broad appeal beyond just practitioners whether they&#8217;re doctors, nurses, or trainees, and I&#8217;m trying to have the public be interested in the work that we choose.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Felice</strong>&nbsp;<br>I think you have your vision of the website, and that&#8217;s what you&#8217;ve voiced here, but it&#8217;s not my view of medical humanities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In fact, I found this online at George Washington University, on their medical humanities site, and they quote me, but they don&#8217;t acknowledge that it was me, where I wrote: &#8220;Medical Humanities is an interdisciplinary field that includes the humanities, social sciences and the arts and their application to medical education and practice,&#8221; and then whatever education materials people develop that are designed &#8220;to help students develop and nurture skills of observation, analysis, empathy and self-reflection, skills that are essential for humane medical care.&#8221; [Quotes are from the GW website and were at the original NYU medical humanities site.] Especially the first part that I read, I mean that it is a broad, interdisciplinary scholarly field. That is how I have always, or at least for many years, maybe not in the very beginning, looked at it. So that&#8217;s a little different from what you are trying to do. And I&#8217;m not criticizing you in any way. I mean, I&#8217;m just recognizing that there is a difference in what you want to do with your site and what we did with ours.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lucy&nbsp;</strong><br>One of the things that the database could do was show different cultures and describe experiences that the students themselves might not have directly.  MedHum is a bridge into other cultures, and that&#8217;s what I mean when I say it is a lens on the human experience. That by reading literature, by reading about other societies, and what people who live in those societies go through, which you know only too well, it broadens your ability, hopefully, to empathize and to understand the differences among people.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thank you, Felice for speaking with me today and for your editorial guidance throughout the years. It’s been an extremely fruitful collaboration.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[A gripping period medical drama, The Knick reveals past medical triumphs and terrors—urging reflection on today’s healthcare practices and ethics.]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Television has produced shows featuring the daily activities and dramas in medical practices from almost the beginning of television itself. Early programs, such as <em>Dr. Kildare, Ben Casey</em>, and <em>Dr. Welby</em>, all weekly shows airing for many years, attracted huge audiences. Medical shows have since been a consistent offering on television, some of the better known being, <em>St. Elsewhere</em>, <em>ER</em>, <em>Grey’s Anatomy</em>, <em>Chicago Hope</em>, and <em>House</em>. The medical series, <em>The Pitt</em>, represents the genre at present. Among the traits they share along with medical drama and personal drama, is being set in the era they were produced. <a href="https://www.cinemax.com/the-knick" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em>The Knick</em></a> is an exception.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>The Knick</em> portrays all that goes on in and around a hospital struggling to provide care for the poorer classes in lower Manhattan during the early 1900s. It shows that many of what were then considered important advances in medicine, technology, society, and culture were later considered dangerous, unethical, barbaric, inhumane, and racist. The series asks whether health care of any era, along with associated social and cultural factors at work, are destined to be seen sometime in the future in similar ways.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Storylines of the Poor and the Famous</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>The Knick</em> was inspired by the Knickerbocker Hospital, founded in Harlem in 1862 to serve the poor. In this twenty-part television series spread over two seasons, the fictional Knick is located somewhere in the lower half of Manhattan around 1900. The time covered during the series is not marked in any distinct way. The characters do not age much, and although fashion and customs remain static during the series, the scope and significance of advancements that come into play were actually adopted over a longer time than the episodes cover. &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The series builds on some known history. The central character, the chief surgeon Dr. John Thackery, is modeled on a famous surgeon of the time, Dr. William Halsted, in both his surgical adventurism and in his drug addictions. The character, Dr. Algernon Edwards, who is an African-American, Harvard-educated, and European-trained surgeon, is based in part on Dr. Louis T. Wright, who became the first African-American surgeon at Harlem Hospital during the first half of the twentieth century.  &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Storylines of human drama and folly run through the series. Among them are medical cases both ordinary and bizarre, heroic successes and catastrophic failures, loves won and lost, gilded lives and wretched existences, honor and corruption, racism and more racism. Within these storylines are the scientific, medical, and industrial advances of the period, as well as the social frameworks that form <em>fin de siècle</em> hospital care and medical research in New York City.  &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some of the industrial advances adopted by the hospital include electrification, telephone service, and electric-powered ambulances. We see that transitions to these new technologies are not without risks and catastrophes: patients and hospital staff are electrocuted, and when the ambulance batteries died — a frequent occurrence– many of the patients they carried died, too.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Medical advances integrated into various episodes include x-rays, electric-powered suction devices, and an inflatable balloon for intrauterine compression to stop hemorrhages. Thackery is a driven researcher taking on some of the big problems of the day, such as making blood transfusions safe, curing syphilis, and discovering the physiologic mechanisms of drug addiction. We see how he learns at the cost of his patients, or rather his subjects. We also get a glimpse of movements directed at population health. For example, epidemiological methods are applied to find the source of a typhoid outbreak, which drew from the actual case of Mary Mallon (aka, Typhoid Mary). Shown juxtaposed to the advances in epidemiology is the concurrent interest that was rising in eugenics and its broad application to control for unwanted individual traits and particular groups of people. Research ethics and regulations were a long way off. &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Time Tells</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Each era possesses its own hubris based on the technological advances and social progress made over those of previous eras, and on the certainty that the mistakes made before have not been repeated. Time reveals whether those attitudes and positions were justified. For Soderbergh, the director of the series, this idea was top of mind, and he stated as much in an interview published in the August 1, 2014 <em>New York Times</em>: &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are so many treatments on the show that make you gasp because they’re so wrong…It just makes you wonder what treatments we’re all taking at face value that 10 or 15 years from now we’re going to be told, ‘Well, that didn’t work, and in fact that makes it worse.’ &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Early twenty-first-century medical care has benefited from advances in molecular biology, medical devices, surgical procedures, data analytics, and epidemiological methods among others. People only participate in experimental protocols with their informed consent, and health care workforces are highly diverse. Impressive indeed, but none that in any way dwarf some of the advances shown during the series, and many that make twenty-first-century medical care possible. And, while <em>The Knick</em> shows how patients were often victims of bad science, bad technique, unproven technology, and malfeasance, the current era of health care is rife with risks for its own harms. Based on a complex analysis from several sources, the U.S. Institute of Medicine estimated in 1999 that between 44,000 and 98,000 people die from preventable medical errors each year in the US (<a href="https://nap.nationalacademies.org/resource/9728/To-Err-is-Human-1999--report-brief.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em>To Err is Human</em></a>). In 2016, researchers from The Johns Hopkins University reported in the May 3, 2016 issue of <em>The BMJ</em> (The British Medical Journal), that at the time <em>The Knick </em>was running in 2014–2015, medical errors were the third leading cause of death in the U.S. While the the accuracy of these estimates could be challenged, we can take from them with some amount of certainty that medical error exists today to a significant degree.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>The Knick</em> pushes us to consider and to beware of what we may see resulting from modern-day biomedical and technological advances as time passes. To the medical drama and personal drama of most television medical serious, <em>The Knick</em> adds the drama of time.&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="has-palette-color-5-background-color has-background has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><br><em><strong>The Knick</strong></em><br>Steven Soderberg, director&nbsp;<br>Cinemax&nbsp;<br>Twenty episodes, 2014-2015&nbsp;<br>Running time: 42–57 minute episodes&nbsp;<br><br><strong>Awards</strong><br>Peabody Award&nbsp;<br>Six Primetime Emmys&nbsp;<br>Three Critics Choice Television awards&nbsp;<br><br><em>The Knick</em> began streaming on HBO Max on February 20, 2021&nbsp;</p>



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